Loss record
MACR 6977: 42-102382
817th18 July 1944enemy aircraft
- Aircraft
- 42-102382 Virgil’s Virgin (B-17G)
- Mission
- mission 51, 18 July 1944
- Target
- Memmingen, Germany A/D
- Aboard
- 10
- Record
- Missing Air Crew Report
- Sources
- National Archives Catalog, NAID 91022691 (35 pages) · Association aircraft page
Flags. only 6 crew names read from OCR; see page images
Crew, as read from the report
Names and serials are the machine's reading of the typed form; a linked name is the man's record.
Statements, questionnaires and capture reports
Eyewitness statement, page 5 · 18 July 1944
5. Engineer
Venables, Lloyc V. T/Sgt 6919373 Mrs. J.H. Venables, mother,
185 Illini St., N.W., RTD
Huron, South Dakota.
6. Asst Engineer
Papamanoli, John E. s/Sgt 35164223 Emanuel J. Papamanoli, RTD
father, 308 Tyler St.,
Gary, Indiana.
v 7. Radio Operator
Doverspike, Ackley G. T/Sgt 32739243 Doverspike,
William E. RTD
father, Putneyville, renn.
8. Asst Radio Oper.
May, Carl E.
s/Sgt. 15067503 Charles Hymera, E. Indiana. May,
9. Armorer Gunner
Marlin, William M. Sgt 12189181 George Marlin, faither,
930 Manhatten Avel
Brooklyn, N.Y.
10. Asst Ammorer Gunn. Davenport, Harace A. ligt. 34646165 Mrs. Annie Davenport,
mother, Route 2,
Pelzer, South Carolina.
11. IDENTIFY BELOW THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE LAST KNOWLEDGE OF AIR-
CRAFT AND CHECK APPROPRIATE (only one) COLUMN TO INDICATE BASIS FOR SAME:
Contacted
Last
Saw
NAME IN FULL
RANK
SERIAL NO.
by Radio
Sighted
Crash Forced Landing
Donald W. Bentzen
2nd Lt.
0755270
X
Willard S. Sperry
Lt Col.
0396325
X
12. IF PERSONNEL ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE SURVIVED, CHECK ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:
(
)
Parachutes were usrd ( ) Persons seen walking away from scene of crash
Any other reason (specify) No chutes were seen. Surrounding circumatances are
not reasonably conclusive of KIA casualty status
13. ATTACH, AS AN INCLOSURE TO THIS REPORT, EITHER AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, MAP, CHART,
OR SKETCH, SHOWING APPROXINATE LOCATION WHERE AIRCRAFT WAS LAST SEEN. Attached.
14. ATTACH, AS INCLOSURES TO THIS REPORT, EYEWITNESS DESCRIPTIONS OF CRASH,
FORCED LANDING, OR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES PERTAINING TO MISSING AIRCRAFT. Attached.
15. ATTACH, AS AN INCLOSURE TO THIS REPORT, A DESCRIPTION OF THE EXTENT OF
SEARCH, IF ANY, AND GIVE NAME, RANK, AND SERIAL NUMBER OF OFFICER IN
CHARGE HERE: (If no search, so state, giving reason) None. Crew MIA
in enemy occupied territory.
Date of this Report: 19 July 1944
H.J.Chin
W. L. LINN,
Major, Air Corps,
3 Incls:
Operations Officer.
Incl 1 - Statement of Lt. Bentzen
Incl 2 - Statement of Lt Col. Sperry
Incl 3 - Overlay
- 2 -
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Eyewitness statement, page 7 · 18 July 1944
CONFIDENTIAL
HEADQUARTERS
FOUR EIGHTY THIRD BOMBARDLEENT GROUP (H)
APO 520
Statement of Witness
On 18 July 1944 the 483rd Bombardment Group (H) vent into the
assigned target area without fighter escort or other group support. As
the initial point was approached approximately seventy-five (75) enemy
fighters swept by the group formation on the right making a wide turn at
the rear in preparation for a tail attack.
When the 483rd Group executed the turn onto the bombing run the
four boxes went into the box-in-trail formation. While the turn was being
made, the aforementioned enemy fighters attacked, supported by an addition-
al force of equal fighter strength. The estimated total enemy fighter
strength was approximately 175-200 when the tail attack was made.
Seven airplanes of the 816th Bombardment Squadron made up the number
four box, and the entire enemy fighter strength made a concentrated attack
on these seven airplanes. Three B-17's were shot to pieces while in level
flight and while maintaining their positions in formation. A fourth went
down, apparently shot out of control, and broke apart as soon as the ship
went into a spin. The three remaining airplanes of the 816th Squadron
drifted out of formation and appeared to be out of control, two of which
were beginning to burn. Several occasional parachutes vere seen although
a number of crew members were thrown from their ships and it is unknown
whether their parachutes functioned.
A considerable number of onemy fighters vere shot down by the gunners
in these ships while the attack was being made, but the fighter fire power
was overwhelming. The enemy attack was made in such a manner that very few
guns of each aimplane could bear on the fightors.
The fighter attack was executed in waves of 5 and 6 ships in close
javelin formation closing directly and on a level with the tail of each B-17.
The fighter waves concentrated on 2 or 3 ships on an attack, and fired only
on the rearmost airplanes.
The fighters moved up to the number three box after destroying the
airplanes of the 816th Squadron, and five ships of the 817th Squadron were
destroyed in the same manner.
Twelve remaining airplanes of the 483rd Group reached the target and
dropped their bombs.
WILLARD S. SPERRY;
Lt. Col., Air Corps,
Deputy Group Commander.
YONLIDE
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German capture report, page 9 · 18 July 1944
Date and Time Aircraft
Casualty-No. ME 1624
was shot down:
18 July 44 ** 10.49
of Orash:
Area Nuemingen
Type of Airoraft:
Fortress
Reporting Office:
Air District VII
Capt'd
Place of
N A M E
Rank
Serial-No. wounded
Interment
dead
VENABLES Llyyd Vernon
T/SCT
6919373
eaptured
Tulag-Luft
21 Apr 1919 S. Dak.
MYERS
Harvey Stanley 2nd Lt. 0-759880 captured Dulag-Luft
3 May 1916 Tex.
Le HURD
Daniel Elias lst Lt. 0-741871 eaptured
Dulag-Luft
5 Jan 1919 Ohio
DAVENPORT
SGT
Gead
DOVERSPIKE Aoklay Grant
T/SOT
38739843
captured
Dulag-Luft
PAPAMANOLI John Emanuel s/cot 35164223 captured Dulag-Luft
VAV
Carl Bugene
s/SGT
15067503
captured
Dulag-Luft
2 Dee 1922
STEIN
David M.
2nd Lt. 0-700166
captured
Dulag-Luft
SMITH
Matthew Joseph and Lt. 0-692569 captured Dulag-Turt
MARLIN
william Michael s/3UT 18169181
captured
Dulag-Suft
Dulas-Left, 51 July 44 No.
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Eyewitness statement, page 11 · 18 July 1944
MN-ESU-1634
Air Base Command A (o) 14/VII
Case: Memorandum from Evaluation, West Oberursel - March 1944
Betr. Parachuted on 18 July 1944 toward 11,00 o'cleek over Nemmingen/
Schwaben out of a Boeing B 17 Fortress (according to statement of
prisoner)
Crew, Rest of crew was captured on 18 July 1944 toward 11,00 eveleck in
Nommingen/Schwaben
Type of Plane: Booing B 17 Fortress
Identification: Not known
Kind of Capture: Unknown
Four Prisoners; Lt. lyyers, Harvey S.
0-759 280
Lt. Lahurd, Denicl E.
0-741 271
Sgt. Venable, Lloyd V.
691 373
acrease
s/sgt. Dreps, Omer H.
87 415 088
will be set on the march to Dulag Luft Oberursel
By order of
Mayola
Major and Chief officer
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Eyewitness statement, page 19 · 18 July 1944
CASUALTY no.
MB-ESU-1.624
REPORT en SHOT - **** AISCRAFT
DATE AND TINE AIRCEAFT
MAS SHOT DOM#: 18 July 1944 forenoon between 10,00 - 11,00 o'clock
PLACE of CRASN: Ref, Parachuted near Kempfen (According to statement of prisoner)
Prisone. refused to give information about the machine.
TYPE OF AIRCEAFT:
REPORTING OFFICE: Air Base Command A (o) 14/V11 Kmufbeuren 20 July 1944
ceev
SUBBANE, ANO
Doverspilte,
FIEST SANE:
A.G.
DATE of BIRTN:
RASK:
T/Sgt.
SERIAL 32 739 243
CAPTURED: Captured
DISTRIOUTIOS: CANP,
TIPE or
GRAVE LOCATION:
RENARES:
Captured near Kempten on 18 July 1944 between 10,00 - 11,00 o'elock
By order of,
Mayole
Major and Chief officer
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Casualty questionnaire, page 23: Davenport, Herace A · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
6977
Name of crew member:
Davenport, Herace A.
Rank:
Sgt.
Serial number:
34646165
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asst. Armorer Gunner.
Did he bail out?
Not to my knowledge.
Where?
If not, why not?
1 think that he was wounded very badly
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane
I talked with him about 5 minutes before the fighter attack.
Was he injured?
I think so.
Where was he when last seen?
In the tail turret
Any hearsay information:
I heard that he was shot pretty brdly and was unable to
get out of his position in the tail.
Source :
Other crew members
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
Iam led to believe that he was in the tail when the plane crashed which was
in the vicinity of Leuckritch, Bavaria, Germany
Total number of missions of above crew member:
I don8t know.
Dates und destinations if possible: Fatal Mission: Memmingen, Germany
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Casualty questionnaire, page 24: David M. Stein · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name
David M. Stein
Rank
1st Lt. Serial No. 0-700166
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander Barton Rank Col. Sqn CO Gorman Rank Capt.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year
1944
month
July
day
18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Bombing
, target,
Memmingen
, target
time, 11:20 And ,altitude,
23,000 ft.
route scheduled,
,route flown
Had to go around because of weather.
5. Where were you when you left formation?
Over Kempten, Germany
6. Did you bail out?
No the plane exploded
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
Yes
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
I saw all of the men on my crew on the ground after we were
captured except Sgt. Davenport
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? In the vicinity of Leuckritch, Germany
10. What membe.*s of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
Only the tail gunner (Davenport) to my knowledge
11. Where were they in aircraft?
Tail position
12. What was their condition?
I believe wounded very badly
13.
When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not elready des-
cribed above?
I saw all of the rest of my crew in the various prison
camps I was in.
14.
Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
No knowledge
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
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Casualty questionnaire, page 25: Devemport, Herace A · 18 July 1944
FPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
6977
Name of crew member:
Devemport, Herace A.
Rank:
Sgt.
Serial number:
34646165
Position: Crew (Bomber) or Flight (Fighter) : Asst. Arnorer Gunner.
Did he bail out? ? No KNOWLEDGE
Where?
If not, why not' ? ?
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane
INTER PHONE RADIO NOT WORKING DUBING OA PhioR ATTACK
Was he injured? 7. No KNOWLEDGE
Where was he when last seen? 7.
Any hearsay information:
Source:
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
REPEATED
FIGHTER ATTACK FROM TAIL PROBABLY
KILLED HIM
IN HIS POSITION AT ZHE TAIL GUN. INTER PHOLE coun. NOT
WORK DEE TO ENEMY FIRE.
Total
number of missions of above crew member : ?
Dates and destinations if possible: ?
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Casualty questionnaire, page 26: MATTHEW J SMITH JR · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name MATTHEW J SMITH JR Rank BILT Serial No. 0-692569
2. Organizatic 483 Gp Commander BARTON Rank CoL. Sqn CO JJCORMAN Rank CAPT.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month JULY
day 18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, BOMBING , target, MEMMINGEN AIR DROME
,target
time, APPANIMATELY 23000
route scheduled,
,route flown
5. Where were you when you left formation? NEAR TOWN OF KEMPTON WHICH WAS I.P.
6. Did you bail out? YES
7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
GENERAL VICINITY OF KEMPTL V
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? PABOUT 45MILES S.W. MUNICH
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
1
?
11. Where were they in sircraft?
12. What was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you lest see any members not already des-
cribed above?
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
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Casualty questionnaire, page 27: Davemport, Herace A · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
6977
Name of crew member:
Davemport, Herace A .
Rank:
Sgt.
Serial number:
34646165
Position: Crow (Bomber) or Flight (Fighter)
Asst. Armorer Gumn.
Did he bail out?
To the best of my knowledge, no
Where?
If not, why not?
Believe to have been killed at his post
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane :
Don't Remember
Was he injured?
I believe he was dead in the ship
Where was he when last seen?
At his tail gunner post
hay
hearsay information: Enlisted men in the waist say that the tail was shot to
pieces. Their opinion was that it was practically impossible for Sgt. Davenport
to have been alive.
Source:
Crew Members
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition : All the
above information was based entirely on supposition.
Total number of missions of above crew member: Unknown Probably between 30 and 10
Dates and destinations if possible:
Unknown
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Casualty questionnaire, page 28: MYERS, HARVEY S · 18 July 1944
AFFPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name MYERS, HARVEY S.
Rank lst. Lete Serial No. 0-759280
2. Organization 483 b. Gp Commander BARTON Rank Col. Sqn COJOHN J. GORMANPank Major
(full name lunk
(full name)
3. What year
1944
month July
day
18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Bombing
, target, Memmingen Airdrome, Ger cas at
t ime,
1115
altitude, 23000 it.
route scheduled, Direct, Foggia
Italu- Memmingen, Germanyroute flown As briefed
5. Where were you when you left formation Over Kempten, Germ: by
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out? Yes, with one exception, tail gunner
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". No list attached
All bailed out at the same approximate place and time. Four officers and flight
engineer bailed out through the nose hatch, enlisted men went out through the
waist door, with the exception of the tail gunner
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? It blew up while in the air.
10.
What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) We believe the tail
gunner was in the ship, dead, when it blew up.
11. Where were they in aircraft? At his tail gunner post.
12. What was their condition? Believed to have been dead
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? RAMP Camp Lucky Strike, France June 1945 In good physical
condition
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of riny other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. No Knowledge
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
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Eyewitness statement, page 29 · 18 July 1944
BROOKS FIELD, TEXAS
28 February 1946
COMMANDING GENERAL
ARMY AIR FORCES
ATTENTION: AFPPA-8
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.
SIR:
Perhaps the following will tell you why my knowledge of Sgt. Davenport
is slipht:
Of the men with me that day, none were members of my regular crew. In
fact, five different crews were revresented in that ship.
The attack which resulted in my ship going down came from the rear.
The communication system was shot out and the waist gunners and radio operstor
bailed out when the ship went out of controle. Later, they told me about the
condition of the tail section and their opinion of the ate of Sgt. Devenport.
The ship blew up in the air, and the opinion of the crew members was that Sgt.
Davenport was still in the ship.
I was unable to learn anything about the fate of the enlisted crewmen
until nine months after we went down, as Officers and enlisted men were placed
in different camps.
The information I have been able to give you was gnthered after we were
liberated in May 1945.
Respectfully
Harvey S. Myers
lst. Lt. A.C.
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Casualty questionnaire, page 30: Davenpert, Herace A · 18 July 1944
11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
6977
Name of crew member :
Davenpert, Herace A.
Rank:
Sgt.
Serial number:
34646165
Position: Crew (Bomber) or Flight (Fighter): Asst. Armorer Gunner.
Did he bail out? Unknown
Where?
If not, why not?
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane: Approximately
four minutes before crew bailed out.
Was he injured? His position was shot away. Believed dead.
Where was he when last seon? Over friendly territory before entering his position
Any hearsay information
None
Source :
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition : Supposedly dead
before ship was shot down.
Total number of missions of above crew member: Approximately 95
Dates and destinations if possible :
Unknown
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Casualty questionnaire, page 31: May, Carl E · 18 July 1944
AFPR:-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name May, Carl E.
Rank s/Sgt Serial No. 15067503
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander Barton Rank Col Sqn CO Gorman Rank Capt
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month July
day
18th did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Bombing
,
target, German Air Field
, target
t ime, 10:30
,altitude, Unknown
route scheduled, Unknown
, ,route flown Unknown
5. where were you when you left formation? On bomb run
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
Yes
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". Waist gunners, engineer,
and officer crew bailed out after plane left formation on bomb run.
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground?
Unknown
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
Unknown
11. Where were they in aircraft?
12. What was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? Right waist gunner in France in fair condition
14. Please give any similar information on personnel cf any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
None
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
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Casualty questionnaire, page 32: Devenpert, Herace A · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
PPA-F 2
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
6977
Name of crew member:
Devenpert, Herace A.
Rank:
Sgt.
Serial number:
34646165
Position: Crew (Bomber) or Flight (Fighter): : Asst. Armorer Gunner.
Did he bail out? not to my knowledge
Where? -
If not, why not? Bethe see was plumped over his guns in the tair
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane:
Was he Injured? He sened to be.
Before Tabeoff
Where was he when last seen? In the tail of the ship.
Any He
hearsay information: : seened to be bluding around
the fou and was plumped over his gune
when last seen He must have been in
the ship when it expladed
Source : Personal observation
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
He must have blown up with the ship
He sened to be unconsive and wounded
when the bail out order was anver
Total number of missions of above crew member: NOKOWLEDGE
Dates and destinations if possible:
No KowhEAGE
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Casualty questionnaire, page 33: WiLLiAM M. MARLiN · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name WiLLiAM M. MARLiN
Rank 3/36T Serial No. 1218918,
2. Organization 183 Gp Commander BARTON Rank Cah. Sqn colf Some Rank MAJOR
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month JULY
day IP
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, PENMIGIEN GER, target, JET INSTALLATIONS, target
time, 10:30
,altitude, 20,000
route scheduled,
,route flown
,
5.
Where were you when you left formation? KEMPTON, GERMANY
6. bail out? YES
Did you
7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES.
8. Tell all you kno* about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionzaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don' know, say "No Knowledge". PIOLT. M.Smith build out
NAV. S. STEEN bailed nut wonded Bomb. D. LEHURO boiled and O.K.
ENC. L. VENERAGLES bailed and wanded 3.TuRRET. C.MAV barled act O.K. R.W.
pappanitic bailed rut 0.t. Co. ROLIT MEVERS. baildoutor. Rapio. -DOVER PIKE
oc
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? No KOWLEDGE
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) No KOWLEDGE
11. Where were they in aircraft? No KOWLEDGE
12. What was their condition? NO KOWLEDGE
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above?
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have source
knowledge. Indicate of information. NO KOWLEAGE
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
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Eyewitness statement, page 34 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-TI
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAJRE
Name of crew member:
Rank:
Davengert, Herase A .
Serial number:
agt.
Position: Crew (Bomber) or Flight (Fighter)
34646165
Asst. Gram.
Did he bail out?
Not to my Knowledge
Wbere?
If not, why not?
He was apparently killed in the plane
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane
Cannot recal!
Was he injured?
Where was he when last seen?
In the tail gunners position
Any hearsay information:
The other crew memners in the rear of the
plane never recalled secing him hail out and que to the incensity
of the atteer from the rear concluded Tuat ne nad been killed
Source:
vellow crow me mbors
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: Due to the fact
TATT T.ne nount OT the attack was !irectly From the rear ain that n19 position
was most vulneraule to tyne 01 atcauk it is extremely likely
that he was killed in his position or so severely wounded that he was
unable to escape from the burning plane.
Total number of missions of above crew member: Balieved less than twenty
Dates and destinations if possible:
unknown as he was flying with us for the
first time on that particular mission
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Casualty questionnaire, page 35 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Lloyd V. Venables
1. Your name
Rank T/Sgt. Serial No. 6919373
2. Organization 483 B Go Commander Barton Rank Col. Sqn CO Gorman Rank Cart.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month July
day
18 did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Mammingen, Gw., target, Airdrome
, target
time, 11 A.M. Aprox. altitude, 23, 000Pt.
route scheduled, unknown
,route flown Slight Deviation due to weather
5. Where were you when you left formation Number 3 Pos. Third Box on Bomb run
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
Yes
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list 18 attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". All other crew members
bailed out safely and were captured soon thereafter. They were: Myers,
Smith, LaHurd, Stien, ibverspike, May, Marlin and Papmanoli, Also mysèèf
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground?
unknosm
10.
What members of you. crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) Davenport is believed to
have been, although it is not certain.
11. Where were they in aircraft? He is believed to have been in the tail pos.
12. What was their condition? Apparently dead or critically wounded
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above?
I last saw the rest of the crew members as
P.O. W, As and to the best of my knowledge they have all been returned to
tha United Statas sinca VE day.
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. None known
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF
National Archives, MACR 6977, page 35 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Loss sheets and photographs
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
- Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102382, mission 51 Memmingen, Germany · 18 July 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
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