Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
Loss sheet or report scan for B-17 42-102841, mission 112 Pilsen, Czechoslovakia · 23 October 1944 · view at 15thaf.org
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Missing Air Crew Reports
Missing Air Crew Report 9319, page 1: B-17 42-102841 Shadrack, 1944-10-23 · 23 October 1944National Archives Catalog (RG 92, Missing Air Crew Reports) · National Archives (RG 92, MACR 9319)Missing Air Crew Report 9319, page 2: B-17 42-102841 Shadrack, 1944-10-23 · 23 October 1944National Archives Catalog (RG 92, Missing Air Crew Reports) · National Archives (RG 92, MACR 9319)
The target on other days
The vast Skoda Arms Plant at Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, was attacked by allied night bombers successfully, though the Nazis went to a lot of trouble to build a huge dummy factory only three miles outside of the city. The dummy factory was only hit once.National Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26637-58034ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26594-B58033ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26592-58033ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26598-A60253ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26597-60253ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26596-A60252ACThe Germans built a huge dummy factory three miles outside of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, to deflect allied bombers from the big Skoda Army Plant inside Pilsen. The bombers were only fooled once. The Germans went to a lot of trouble to invite bombs onNational Archives Catalog (RG 342-FH) · U.S. Air Force photograph 342-FH-3A26595-60252AC
Statements from the loss reports
German capture report, page 18 · 23 October 1944
Date and Time Aircraft was shot down 23 Oetober 1944 at 1400 Casualty No. 2344 ME Place of Crashs near Soeldien Type of Airerafts MACA No Reporting offices Airbase Headquarter Aibling. 9319 Name Rank Serial captured Place of Internment Number wounded dead FLESHMAN Rober's Berald 39214856 captured Dalag Luft West 13 May 25 EDDISON William Barton s/sgt 11121907 dide 15 May 24 N.Y. DEEDE Gerald Diedirick s/sgt 17118693 dide 15 Dec.25 DALLMAN Howard Marvin lst Lt 0-823814 dide HEBERT wilfrid Ernest s/sgt 11110840 dide 1922 USA LILLIE Glenr. A. Cpl. 17152705 dida Mo. WALKER Krskine Lavoy Cpl. 14077248 dide 7 Apr.22 POOLE Jessie Earl 1/sgt 35694606 dide SANDMAN Charles William 7/0 T-127622 dido 1971 USA MOREY David Zason 2nd Lt 0-713950 injured Hespital . Dulag Luft, 11 November 1944
AFPPA-11 - INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE Name of crew member : Morey, David M. File 9319 Rank: 2nd Lt Serial number: 0--113950 Position: Crew (Bomber) Co-Pilot Did he bail out? YES Where? LANDECK AUSTRIA If not, why not? Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane: I instructed C. Pilot to Jump Was he injured? FRACTURED Foot Where was he when last seen? GERMAN AIRfield 30miles NORTH of MUNICH Any hearsay information: HEARD that HE was Kept in GERMAN Hospital 2 month AND then sent to STALAY Loft # / Source : P.O. u's who WERE with Him at transisnt camp Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: Total number of missions of above crew member: / Dates and destinations if possible: 6-3861, AF
Casualty questionnaire, page 21: HOWARD M. DALL MAN · 23 October 1944
AFPPA-18 CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE 1. Your name HOWARD M. DALL MAN Rank 1st Serial No. 0-823814 483006 840thsta. BARtoN LEOC. BAOKS 2. Organization Gp Commander Rank col. Sqn CO Rank MAJOA (full name) (full name) 3. What year 1944 month october day 23 did you go down? 4. What was the mission, Bomb , target, PILSEN CZECK. , target time, 1230 ,altitude, 27,000 route scheduled, ,route flown. 5. Where were y 1 when you lest formation? 100 miles SJE. of Pilsan 6. Did you bail out? YES 7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES 8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". CHILH DALLMAN Print ALL CREW members balled out At SAME time - OVER LANDECK Austain - Pilot Copilot. NAVIGATOR t NOSE Gunner Last SHIP fro NAvigAtear HAtCH - ALL OTHER CREW member LEFT from WAIST poor 9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? UN Known 10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Shoule cross check with e above and individual questionnaires) NOM E 11. Where were they in aircraft? 12. What was their condition? 13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- cribed above? - 14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you have knowledge. Indicate source of information. (Any additional information may be written on the back) 6-3862,AF
AFPPA-11 INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE . Name of crew member: Nerray, David M. Pile 9319 Rank: 2nd is Serial number: Position: Crew (Bomber) Co-Pilet Did he bail out? YES Where? LANDECK, AUSTRIA If not, why not? Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane: JUST before bailing OUT. Was he injured? YES Where he last seen? was when AT 2 GERMAN Luftwaffe base. Any hearsay information Lt. MUREY W2SN'4 badly.,INJURED HE was suppose. To have been at same GERMAN prison camp as I was. I NEVER saw him but my PILOT saw him at camp Lucky STRIKE ST.VALERY ENCaux, Normandy, HRANCE. Source: INformation from is 4 DaLman, PILOT of CREW Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: I can defe. NITELY rouch for Lt. MOREY'S condition. HE had a fRACTURE foot beTNoThing SERIOUS. I can't SEE how he COULD bE missing if my pilot sta LT. DaLman saw him in FRANCE. Total number of missions of above crew member: was or first mission Dates and destinations if possible: OUR Target was PILZEN CLEAHO. Bailed out OVER LANDECK AusTRia, Oet.23,1945 T 12:30pm. THE WE'RE all TAKEN PRISONER, No ONE KILLED I w as ThE INZINEER of ThE 2P.EU, and I WOULD LIKE To KNOW MORE about THIS Is LIMOBEY STILL LISTEP as missing? WOULD apprecial AF 6-3861, it if you WOULD LET me KNOW
Eyewitness statement, page 23: WiLfrio E. HEBERT · 23 October 1944
AFPPA-12 CASUALTY QURSTIONNAIRE 1. Your name WiLfrio E. HEBERT Rank T/SGT. Serial No. 11110840 2. Organizati ion ISAF Gp Commander - - Rank Sqn CO Rank - (full name) (full name) 3. What year 1944 month OCT. day 23 did you go down? 4. What was the mission, is TH. , target, PILZEN, CTECHA target t ime, ,route flown ,altitude, $2,500 fT. route scheduled, 5. Where were you when you left formation? AbouT hR. from TARGET 6. Did you bail out? YES. 7. Did other members of crew bail out? ALL TEN of as. 8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no individual questionnaire is attached bailed nut. A crew list is attached. Please give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge." We bailed OUT AI 18,500ft. ONE ENBINE LEfT NO oxygen WEALL balled OUT surcrssffully LT. MOREY bROKE his Left foot UPON hitting ground WE WE'RE ALL TAKEN PRISONER 4I LANDECK, AUSTRIA 60 Kilo from 9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? No KNOWLEDGE 10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should cross heck with 8 above and individual questionnaires) NONE 11. Where were they in aircraft? 12. What was their condition? 13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- cribed above? 14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you have knowledge. Indicate source of information. (Any additional information may be written on the back) a-1. 6-3862,AF
Eyewitness statement, page 24: Robert G Fleshman · 23 October 1944
AFPPA-12 CASUALTY QURSTIONNAIRE 1. Your name Robert G Fleshman Rank Pfc, Serial No. 39214856 2. Organization 483 Gp Commander unknown Rank Sqn CO Rank (full name) (full name) 3. What year 1944 month October day 2? did you go down? 4. What was the mission, Pilsen Bobsmibarget, S Koda Munition works target time, ,altitude, route scheduled, ,route flown 5. Where were you when you left formation? about 70 min from target 6. Did bail out? yes you 7. Did other members of crew bail out? yes all of crew bailed out 8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". weall bailed out near a s mall town called Solden 9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? un Known 10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) none 11. Where were they in aircraft? 12. What was their condition? 13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- cribed above? Isav all new members after ins bailed out 14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you have source knowledge. Indicate of information. I huard from Glenne garten latate a Lillie back R. to on acn't the that evergone had (Any additional information may be written on the back) 6-3852, AF
AFPPA-11 INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE Name of crew member Rank: Morey, David M. File 9319 LE Serial number: Position: Crew (Bomber) Co-Piles Did he bail out? Yes, Where? Solden, Austria, near Innsbruck If not, why not? Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane HE WAS UNIN- JURED WHEN HE LEFT THE PLANE 4 ROUND Was he injured? Yes, his tright ankle was severely fractured, WHEN HE HIT TRE Where was he when last seen? I spent two days in the Innsbruck jail. with him. Gormen authorition took him from our prison hds group at Rosenheim, Germany about 31, October 1944. I have heard no reports of It. Morey since that time. Source: Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition : Total number of missions of above crew member: One Dates and destinations if possible: Pilsen, Czechoslavia 23, October 1944. s/Sat William B. Eddem Fn 25 february 1946 6-3861, AF
AFPPA-11 INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE Name of crew member Rank: Norey, David M. File 9319 2nd 14 Serial number: Position: Crew (Bomber) Co-Pilet Did he bail out? yes Where? Solder, Austria (Tyrolian Alps) If not, why not? Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane Was he injured? yes - Leg Fracture Where was he when last seen? at complancystrike - May'45 Any hearsay information: Source : Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: Total number of missions of above crew member: First Dates and destinations if possible: Pilsen Oct. 23. 1944 6-3861, AF
Casualty questionnaire, page 29: Lillie, GlennA · 23 October 1944
AFPPA=12 CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE 1. Your name Lillie, GlennA Rank 5/sgt Serial No. 1755705 2. Organization 483 Gp Commander Rank Sqn CO Rank (full name) (full name) 3. What year 1944 month Oct day 23 did you go down? 4. What was the mission, Pilsen , target, Skoda works ,target ime, Approx. 1300 ,altitude, 22,000 route scheduled, ,route flown 5. left Where were you when you formation? 50 Min from target 6. Did you bail out? yes 7. Did other members of crew bail out? yes 8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". Every Crew member bailed out over or near Solder Austria in Tyrolian Alps 9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? No knowledge 10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) None 11. Where were they in aircraft? 12. What was their condition? 13. Wben, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- cribed above? 14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you have knowledge. Indicate source of information. None (Any additional information may be written on the back) 6-3862, AF
AFP?A-] INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE Name of crew member Moray, Bavid M. File 9319 Rank: 2nd Lt Serial number: 0-713950 Position: Crew (Bomber) : Co-Pilot Did he bail out? yes Where? 100 miles N.W. of Brenner Pass (titaly y-austria) - If not, why not? Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane : "We'll lic out at the opening in the clouds"- - Best of crew - "O.K." Was he injured? yes - broken by Where was he when last seen? We were in a cellar near) Munich where he Any hearsay information was taken to a Suman hospital for treatment 20 have heard since that a fuid heard him on German Hospital Program A have never heard from him (during was) since or have sl met anyone one who has seen or heard of his where abouts Source : Personal person who said he was heard on radio was a parent of one of my cuw. Any explanation of his fate based in part wholly supposition: & think, or on if he is still missing, he may have been pilled in an air said that hit his hospital as A think the hospital was in Munich Then again there is a chance that he lost his leg as his was at large their days walking on it & it was in God condition when huspata the hospital. Total number of missionsC 6f above crew member: On his first Dates and destination3 if possible Oct. 23, 1944 - Pilson Skoda Works A-I 6-3861, AF
Casualty questionnaire, page 31: Charles Sandman Jr · 23 October 1944
AFPPA-12 . CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE 1. Your name Charles Sandman Jr. Rank F/O Serial No. 1-127622 483 Bmb Svo Syn. 2. Organization AC Gp Commander BARTON Rank Col. Sqn Co SPERRY Rank LT. COL. (full name) (full name) 3. What year 1944 mont h OCT day 23 did you go down? 4. What was the mission, PILSEN , target, SKODA WORKS , target time, ABOUT 1315 ,altitude, AGOUT 28000 ' route scheduled, ALMOST STR. FROM SEVERO - TARGET, route flown SAME TO TARGET, BUT WHEN WE COULDN'T MAKE (ITACY) MTS WE FOLLOWED THE VALLEYS w TO SWITZ. 5. Where were you when you left formation? 10 MIN. OFF TARGET 6. Did you bail out? YES 7. Did other members of crew bail out? ALL BAILED OUT 8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowlodge". WAIST 6 - 1st out of waist, NAV (MYSELF) 10 OUT OF NOSE FROM THEN ON GOOD BAILOUT PROCEDURE WAS USED, EACH MAN LEAVING WHEN HIS TERN CAME. WHERE BAILED OUT, IT RAN INTO A MT. 9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? No KNSWLERGE - / THINK VERY CLOSETO 10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) NONE 11. Where were they in aircraft? - 12. What was their condition? 13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- cribed above? WAS AT SAME CAMPS (SAGAN + NURENBURG) WITH PILOT. AVE LAST SAW REST OF CREN AT WETZLAR, GERMANY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF co -PILOT. - & TWO OF BUNNERS (ONE GLENN LILLIE / SAW AT NURENBURG APR. 4,1945, + SGT EDISON RETURNED ON SAME BeAT To U.S. AS 1 - MAY19,1940 ALL WERE IN GOOD CONDITION. 14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you have knowledge. Indicate source of information. / SAW ONLY ONE OTHER GREW FROM OUR GP. IN GERMANY. THEY WENT DOWN ABOUT APR 20 / DON'T REMEMBER THEIR NAMES ONLY SAW THE OFFICERS OF THE CREW AT CREW, THEY HAD ENGINE FAILURE Y CRASH LANDED - KILLED 3ENUSTED MEN LE HARVE / THINK THE PILOT WAS ORIGINALLY A -PILOT IN LT. HASKINS AS NEAR AS / CAN REMEMBER. ALSO SAW Co. PILOT JOHN RIORDAN , His BIMBARDIER * MICKEY MAN AT NURNENBURG APR. 4, 1945. - ALL IN 6000 CONATION (Any additional information may be written on the back) 6-3862,AF
